Potentially a new stadium,i really hope not

1 minute ago, Sham67 said:

How many times are we going to continue with this myth. Eastwoods design to expand Hillsborough to 50k capacity came out at  50% of the cost for a comparable new build.

 

Source, Lee Strafford on here a few months ago.

I am not and never have been convinced those “plans” were all that. That video that always does the rounds is itself approaching two decades old. The ground is therefore two decades of decay and neglect removed from that, and frankly I don’t think those plans even go far enough in terms of the transformative impact people (particularly new owners) are thinking about.

That video is and has never been anything more than a proof of concept, and I don’t think it has any value in the conversation about whether to redevelop or move anymore.

4 minutes ago, TAFKASO said:

Nope.

 

Times have changed since Hillsborough was built and even since the WC plans. Failure to keep up is regression.

 

The reality is if I chat to any 'casual' football fan in the southern half of this country they are shocked that Hillsborough is even still as a sporting venue. 

 

For image, financial and all sorts of transport-related practical reasons these things vastly outweigh "but what about the history"?

Feck em. It’s our ground. How many times have you switched on Sky before a game and the glowing comments about our ground from the commentators, pundits etc. 

You want to lose all that feeling from neutrals so you can get to the M1 in two minutes? 
 

Anyway, I’ve got about as much influence about where we play as any fan, which is zero. I’m just voicing my feelings. 
 

I have fond memories, as well as tragic ones of Hillsborough. I cried following the Hillsborough disaster. I remember Jack Charlton and the great Pat Jennings getting pelted with snow balls. Zico’s penalty. Terry Curran scoring and then sliding to salute an empty Kop. Being scared of Sammy and one of his smiles. The Brighton Play off semi. Running on the pitch after promotion from the old third to second division. Di Canio pushing the ref. Andy Pierce bullet header against United. Streakers and numerous dogs running on the pitch, Swansea City in a blizzard.

So many memories and so much history. 

48 minutes ago, Brad_owl said:

You are limiting the club with this train of thought really. Spend £50/100m giving the old girl a glow up, and still hit revenues for 23 days a year.

 

I can only surmise the people that don't want to move are because of selfish reasons. Ie the journey in is 10 minutes on the bus, or they are sentimental fans. No fan wishing the club to progress would want us to stay and throw money at a ground that is literally in a flood zone. 

 

I just cannot understand the argument to stay. 

 

Think bigger. 

I agree with you on the need to move 

But this flood zone issue isn’t the reason

Many of the proposed sites are situated in close proximity to the rivers and threatened by the one in a hundred years flood risk. 
 

This is a listing for a site in attercliffe:

"£3.5 million (offers in the region of) for a rare, strategic commercial development opportunity comprising approximately 8 acres of prime land on Brightside Lane, bordering the River Don. This site has planning consent for 14 industrial units."

So that's £3.5mil for 8 acres. For reference the Etihad complex is 80 acres. This idea that a new stadium is cheaper than a redevelopment is not factually correct.

Sure you could build on the outskirts of the city on green belt, even in Rotherham! but risk loads of fans not buying into that.

A semi condemned stadium, that wouldn't be accepted back into the Prem, without a massive flounce from modern society 

Or new one?

(preferably without giant chimneys)

20 minutes ago, The_Ghost_Of_91 said:

 

The San Siro is crumbling away due to age. Even news stadiums will have an expiry date.

And have a guess where they’re building the new San Siro?

1 minute ago, M Royds said:

And have a guess where they’re building the new San Siro?

Next to the old one like Spurs did.

Makes sense to keep both camps happy.

5 minutes ago, M Royds said:

Feck em. It’s our ground. How many times have you switched on Sky before a game and the glowing comments about our ground from the commentators, pundits etc. 

 

You want to lose all that feeling from neutrals so you can get to the M1 in two minutes? 
 

Anyway, I’ve got about as much influence about where we play as any fan, which is zero. I’m just voicing my feelings. 
 

I have fond memories, as well as tragic ones of Hillsborough. I cried following the Hillsborough disaster. I remember Jack Charlton and the great Pat Jennings getting pelted with snow balls. Zico’s penalty. Terry Curran scoring and then sliding to salute an empty Kop. Being scared of Sammy and one of his smiles. The Brighton Play off semi. Running on the pitch after promotion from the old third to second division. Di Canio pushing the ref. Andy Pierce bullet header against United. Streakers and numerous dogs running on the pitch, Swansea City in a blizzard.

 

So many memories and so much history. 

And those memories will still be there, but times change and we need to progress.

Ultimately it’s another one of those things that we have no control over - if our new owners want to build us new stadium it’ll more than likely happen. 
 

if we do end up moving it’s up to the fans to help it develop its own character and soul. 

Shame we had a disgraceful owner when that land across the road was for sale..

12 minutes ago, Sham67 said:

How many times are we going to continue with this myth. Eastwoods design to expand Hillsborough to 50k capacity came out at  50% of the cost for a comparable new build.

 

Source, Lee Strafford on here a few months ago.

If that is so then great. But it would be the exception to the rule and I daresay whoever comes in will get a second opinion. This is why so many develop new ones and it’s not just about capacity it’s the surrounding land and other commercial opportunities over the next 150 years to think about 

Just now, sexpistol said:

but times change and we need to progress.

That is just an empty slogan.

2 minutes ago, camffiti said:

A semi condemned stadium, that wouldn't be accepted back into the Prem, without a massive flounce from modern society 

 

Or new one?

(preferably without giant chimneys)

Not true. How did Luton ring it, or Bournemouth and Brentford when they went up. Are you saying if we drew Chelsea in the cup, they wouldn’t play there?

The issue that allows games to take place are Safety Certificates. 

1 minute ago, Hove Owl said:

Ultimately it’s another one of those things that we have no control over - if our new owners want to build us new stadium it’ll more than likely happen. 

This will probably be the case.

3 minutes ago, The_Ghost_Of_91 said:

Next to the old one like Spurs did.

 

Makes sense to keep both camps happy.

Cardiff Arms Park became the Millennium Stadium and kept part of the old ground because of tradition.  As well as being surrounded by building and hemmed in by a river. 
 

The connection with the old and new can be done and is imported.