areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Bulgaria said: Farcical maybe, but it's what's going to happen. Expect dummy crowds and music. Like I've mentioned before, if the owls were sitting where Leeds are in the table, the clamour on here to finish the season would be deafening. I'd want to try and finish the season, of course. Twenty years outside the top flight feels like an eternity. But at some point reality has to kick in and you have to accept that it's not possible. It's gutting for those who look odds on for promotion, but there's nothing that can be done which preserves the integrity of the competition, and far more importantly, the health and safety of all involved.
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 Wouldn't it be great to see English clubs adopt the same level-headed, mature response as Ajax should the same happen here? "As a player and as a club you naturally want to become champion", Ajax CEO Edwin van der Sar said. "You want to show it on the field and we have been at the top all year round. Then it is a pity that you are not declared champion, but in this situation that may be understandable. There are more important things at the moment than football." 1 2
Guest Bulgaria Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Wouldn't it be great to see English clubs adopt the same level-headed, mature response as Ajax should the same happen here? "As a player and as a club you naturally want to become champion", Ajax CEO Edwin van der Sar said. "You want to show it on the field and we have been at the top all year round. Then it is a pity that you are not declared champion, but in this situation that may be understandable. There are more important things at the moment than football." That level headed attitude is easy to have when you have won 34 league titles and 6 of them in the last 20 years. I doubt Cambuur, who are 11 points clear of 3rd place in their second division are quite as level headed.
Mountain Owl Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 What about when we qualified for Europe with all the money that goes with it. The behaviour of English fans abroad had us banned even though our club were innocent. We had to take it on the chin and try and qualify again. These things are circumstances beyond our control and they'll just have to get on with it. 1 1 3
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, Bulgaria said: That level headed attitude is easy to have when you have won 34 league titles and 6 of them in the last 20 years. I doubt Cambuur, who are 11 points clear of 3rd place in their second division are quite as level headed. It's the only attitude anyone should be adopting, given the current circumstances. This season can't be finished; the only sensible option is to void it and start afresh once this situation is finally under control, whenever that may be. It's really, really unfortunate for those clubs who looked likely to win promotion, but in the grand scheme of things it's not that big a deal, as I'm sure we're all now painfully aware. 1
Guest Bulgaria Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: It's really, really unfortunate for those clubs who looked likely to win promotion, but in the grand scheme of things it's not that big a deal, as I'm sure we're all now painfully aware. On the face of it, I don't disagree, but what about all the folks who will lose jobs if clubs fold? It might seem heartless but not everyone is getting this virus and passing away and if steps are taken to ensure participants test negative then why not play?
fudge27 Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 13 hours ago, 31Dec1966 said: This season is cancelled, null and void. Next season starts when it is safe to do so with all teams in exactly the same position as at the start of this season. Those that qualified for Europe this season still qualify next season. The fixture list can even be exactly the same. The only alternative is to play the remaining 9 or 10 games to complete this season when it is safe to do so, which could be 4-6 months away. Clubs will have gone to the wall and squads will be totally different, it's a non starter. When would next season begin ?? Football is nothing without fans so behind closed doors is farcical. The whole prevarication is farcical. End the season now. Not how they've done it though. Clubs in the places at the time of the cancellation have somehow been awarded the qualifying status of that position, despite the season being null and void. No idea how the hell that works! If it's null and void surely it means that results don't stand?!
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 44 minutes ago, Bulgaria said: On the face of it, I don't disagree, but what about all the folks who will lose jobs if clubs fold? It might seem heartless but not everyone is getting this virus and passing away and if steps are taken to ensure participants test negative then why not play? If players, coaching teams, club staff etc. can be tested without taking resources away from areas where they're needed, then in theory games could go ahead. However, as soon as one person tests positive or shows symptoms, the whole league programme would grind to a halt again as final games need to be played synchronously in the interests of fairness. Of course, you've then got the issue of fans not being able to attend games, which for me is a complete no-go. Football without fans would kill the game at the lower levels and would be an insult to supporters at all levels. Even then, I'm not sure how football could safely go ahead in the current situation: there's no way that Elland Road or Anfield wouldn't be swamped by fans should their clubs be on the verge of clinching the league title that day, taking emergency services away from what they should be doing to manage and disperse the inevitable crowds. I honestly can't see a way for the game to continue any time soon. 1 4
the third man Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: If players, coaching teams, club staff etc. can be tested without taking resources away from areas where they're needed, then in theory games could go ahead. However, as soon as one person tests positive or shows symptoms, the whole league programme would grind to a halt again as final games need to be played synchronously in the interests of fairness. what happens when one tests positive, or a member of the backroom staff, or any other person in the ground on a matchday or any member of staff at the hotel, which would have to reopen as well, tests positive That means both sets of teams and officials have to isolate for two weeks, and any other teams they have played in the previous 14 days have to isolate it would be impossible to organise anything. and what about the risk to the peoples familly And what happens when a player decides he doesn't want to put himself or any member of his family at risk and how do explain to other people that they cant go to the park and play because they aren't as important as footballers Edited April 25, 2020 by the third man
torryowl Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 these are extraordinary times and extraordinary decisions have to be imposed ….whatever the powers that be decide the clubs who miss out should bite the bullet and show a bit of class and accept it like ajax have done . 6
the third man Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, torryowl said: these are extraordinary times and extraordinary decisions have to be imposed ….whatever the powers that be decide the clubs who miss out should bite the bullet and show a bit of class and accept it like ajax have done . Couldn't agree more, but it depends how desperate they are for the money
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, the third man said: what happens when one tests positive, or a member of the backroom staff, or any other person in the ground on a matchday or any member of staff at the hotel, which would have to reopen as well, tests positive That means both sets of teams and officials have to isolate for two weeks, and any other teams they have played in the previous 14 days have to isolate it would be impossible to organise anything. and what about the risk to the peoples familly And what happens when a player decides he doesn't want to put himself or any member of his family at risk and how do explain to other people that they cant go to the park and play because they aren't as important as footballers Exactly.
sMacLean Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 15 hours ago, Nut said: Based on the way the Dutch have done it, I think the pigs would be in Europe. Think they'd get the second qualifying round of Europa if it's City's League cup win place they get.
Nut Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, sMacLean said: Think they'd get the second qualifying round of Europa if it's City's League cup win place they get. Cheers. So if city appeal their ban pigs miss out?
mattitheowl Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 If we look at the cold hard truth of it, cancelling the season would negatively affect about what 8 clubs? I mean 14 max, out of 91. As run away as Liverpool are, nobody else is really looking nailed on to go up. Leeds were looking good but even so it's not outside their ability to completely blow it! League 1 has 8 teams split by 8 points so there's nobody in that bunch guaranteed anything. League 2 is only 11 points from top to last play off spot so again, nothing nailed on. Cancel the season and work out what the next one will look like with restrictions in place. Just not bothered...
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