League 2 clubs

So, if you believe reports in the Sun. League 2 clubs are looking to end there season. 

Essentially they can't afford to extend contracts, due to Loss of revenue from fans not being able to attend games and they want the season to end. 

The EPL are running scared as it, as sets a president. 

What can league 2 clubs do? Is it the right idea? Wasn't this just going to happen anyway? 

Same thing as Scotland then? Will there be relegation and promotion?

6 minutes ago, trev said:

Same thing as Scotland then? Will there be relegation and promotion?

No idea, I think the finer points are to be debated. 

Survival is the main point and driving factor. That said no promotion or relegation forces the matter elsewhere. 

I've been a long time supporter of voiding it as I can't see any value in finishing it. I'd rather see a reboot on an even field behind closed doors. 

I've said it in other threads, but it seems inevitable to me that the season will be incomplete.

Given that, I can't see how you can have promotion and relegation decided on an incomplete set of fixtures, with all the issues around fairness that would raise. I'm baffled that Scottish football reached the decision it did.

For me, the only reasonable outcome is to end the season without promotion and relegation and try again once society has begun to return to some semblance of normality.

44 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

I've said it in other threads, but it seems inevitable to me that the season will be incomplete.

 

Given that, I can't see how you can have promotion and relegation decided on an incomplete set of fixtures, with all the issues around fairness that would raise. I'm baffled that Scottish football reached the decision it did.

 

For me, the only reasonable outcome is to end the season without promotion and relegation and try again once society has begun to return to some semblance of normality.

Correct.

The only fair thing to do is void the season. That way nobody gets unfairly punished. Everyone is where they were.

Finishing the season would be the best outcome, but as contracts of players are going to expire and squads will be hugely different. How is that fair?

Voiding the season is the only thing which can be done. It's the only way to avoid years of court battles.

Apparently L1 & L2 are split on this.  I believe any vote on EFL matters needs 2/3 approval.  So if the EFL clubs can get this to a vote, whereby the option on the table is void 19/20 and start a fresh then it could well pass.  You'd think there will be 4-5 teams at the bottom of the Champ who would jump at this opportunity.  The top of L1 might not be happy but it might make financial sense to them so they could go for it.

Nicola Surgeon has announced today that there will likely be no football with fans "any time soon".  And as it stands it feels like the only reason the Championship is saying anything other than "end it now" is the threat of upsetting the EPL and falling off the gravy train.

Then there is the threat from Sky to demand £50m back from EFL clubs.  It's nice that they aren't making the same noises about the EPL though!

Could be a grab the popcorn on this one. I get the feeling this could get very ugly, during a race to the bottom. 

I'd argue the gravy train is gone and a few of the EPL and championship clubs have failed to realise or infact grasp it yet. 

I'd wager we see some significant changes before we see any football. The sheer logistics of just screening games and getting them on is going to be difficult enough. 

Is there enough interest in l2 football to even sustain the cost of streaming it, perhaps at the cost of perhaps an EPL substudy to keep them going. 

Not that they won't do It, they will. It'll be very strange however. 

On 20/04/2020 at 12:31, trev said:

The only fair thing to do is void the season. That way nobody gets unfairly punished. Everyone is where they were.

 

Try telling that to Liverpool fans, Leeds, wba.

They have to finish the season, and they will, behind closed doors.

By the time the end of the season comes, people will be almost back to normal so the worry of supporters celebrating outside will not be an issue.

2 hours ago, Bulgaria said:

Try telling that to Liverpool fans, Leeds, wba.

 

They have to finish the season, and they will, behind closed doors.

 

By the time the end of the season comes, people will be almost back to normal so the worry of supporters celebrating outside will not be an issue.

They cant do it behind closed doors until at least some of the restrictions are lifted

Even without TV crews there must be at least 100 people needed to put a game on, including paramedics

once you lift the restrictions to gatherings of a 150 people that means pubs and restaurants are now open as well, some people talking about Christmas for that to happen

That number doesn't include the police you would need to try and stop potentially 1000s of supporters going to the stadiums as well, and the supporters as well

then add the time needed to complete the season, the complications of contracts ending at the end of June, and basically the season is over, its just a very slow death because no one wants the first football association or league to announce it 

3 hours ago, Bulgaria said:

Try telling that to Liverpool fans, Leeds, wba.

 

They have to finish the season, and they will, behind closed doors.

 

By the time the end of the season comes, people will be almost back to normal so the worry of supporters celebrating outside will not be an issue.

They planning on finishing it this time next year?

Unless someone discovers a miracle cure we're a LONG way from going back to normal.  Like 12 months, not 12 weeks.

5 hours ago, the third man said:

 

 

 

Even without TV crews there must be at least 100 people needed to put a game on, including paramedics

 

 

 

 

 

 

why do you need paramedics ?......22 blokes kicking a ball about in an empty stadium is no different to 22 kicking it about on sunday morning in the local parks . 

Because its a mandatory requirement for both the PL and EFL. The ambulance and paramedic crew are for the players and staff

Imagine the outcry (and lawsuit) if the rule was relaxed and a payer suffered because of it?

Also it's a duty of care to employees (players) whose job carries an element of risk

Paramedics will be at all games - irrespective of whether there is a crowd or not. 100%

It's not even a point for debate

On 20/04/2020 at 21:31, trev said:

Correct.

 

The only fair thing to do is void the season. That way nobody gets unfairly punished. Everyone is where they were.

 

Finishing the season would be the best outcome, but as contracts of players are going to expire and squads will be hugely different. How is that fair?

 

Voiding the season is the only thing which can be done. It's the only way to avoid years of court battles.

 

Sorry but that'll never happen after what the EFL did with Bolton and Bury

Plus Bolton and Southend would have to be relegated for a start. It is completely unfair on the other league one clubs that two sides practically relegated have a chance to then regroup and potentially force a promotion challenge the following season. Bolton are 21 points adrift of Wimbledon with 12 games left, they're as good as relegated. - Southend are 16 points behind Wimbledon as well, again as good as relegated.

Then you have Bury that got kicked out of the league - a void season, does that mean legally, Bury could come back and play in league 1 again?

Plus what about the points deduction that Bolton and Macclesfield have had this season?

The season without doubt will be completed.

When restrictions allow it.

2 hours ago, Bulgaria said:

The season without doubt will be completed.

When restrictions allow it.

How and when do you see that happening?