Hornsby

We all are pal. I'm thinking, had we played the percentages today, we might only have lost 1-0. Nothing better than that. Just keeps the ball away from our goal a bit longer.

We're going round in circles, but my point is that it is easy to get the basics right ie don't play risky balls into limited players in dangerous areas. When you spend what seems to be the entire 90 minutes doing just that, and getting caught on the break again and again and again, you have to simply have to abandon that principle until you get the players who can play the way you want to play. Currently, the majority of our players are extremely limited and they're being asked to play in a way that they're simply not capable of. And a better side today would have got 7. The Blades of last year, for example.

Terrific explanation. Great point well made.

I'm not sure how much football you've watched this season, but the current Premier League leaders are long throw specialists who score the majority of their goals from set pieces. Their fans actually sing "set piece again, ole ole".

The difference being we'd got 11 men behind the ball when that happened. They had us a actually 6 v 3 today at one point today. I agree it's dinosaur stuff, but the ball is still round. A defender still has to deal with a ball played over his head. That'll ever change.

Absolutely. You have to have a plan for why you're doing what you do. Man City do it to draw in the opposition, but you need players with a high level of skill and intelligence to carry it off successfully. I'm convinced some teams play it out from the back "because City do it and it seems to work for them". Even Man U seemed to do it without any idea of why. My biggest bugbear - keepers playing it into midfield on the ground. If neither fullback is free to accept the ball, put your foot through it!!

Selling our soul by being more direct? Not many complained under Big Jack and Wilkinson (and even Megson). We played some nice stuff and had some success under Atkinson and Carlos, but playing football on the ground at all costs is hardly sown into the fabric of the club.

The Forest owner would be on the pitch after every match remonstrating with him about Ugbo.

Even if your only 3 available answers are Cadz, Lowe or Ugbo?

Cadamarteri. He's better than Ugbo and Lowe at everything. He'll run all day. Not with any great pace, but he'll pressure defenders facing their own goal and win things. At least it's a low risk plan that we can do - cos it's most basic form of the game. The more times we ask Iorfa to do something beyond heading it or launching it clear, the more often he'll make a mistake. And even if we don't have the players to play that way, it rather it trickle out and give the opposition a throw by their corner flag than gift them a 6 v 3 break on our goal.

Hopefully ny thrn we have new owners and we spend 1/2 billion in the January sales...

It was awful play, mate. But I don't think it comes from not caring or trying. Pressure does different things to different players. He obviously isnt a player who thrives in those situations, which is great when he's at the heart of your defence...

That's not a lack off effort. That's a lack of quality, a lack of awareness, a lack of composure... I can accept that. What I can’t accept is that we're asking players like that to play the ball around in those areas. Iorfa is limited, to say the least. Head things, clear things. Stick to doing that.

I'd love to agree, but HP picks Ugbo. HP also instructs them to knock the ball about the back then play it into midfield over and over again... because he somehow believes we can do that. I like a lot about the bloke, but he doesn't get a free pass.

...where we are, the quality of players we have and the effort put in. But I'm absolutely fed up of seeing us play the ball around at the back between non-footballing defenders, only to see them play the ball into a non-footballing midfielder who is facing his own goal with an opposition player up his arse. We have to be realistic (and this is down to the manager) about the style of football we are capable of playing. We simply are not good enough to play the style we're trying to play. Only Bannan is anywhere near capable of taking the ball facing his own goal. We have willing runners in Cads, Lowe and Inglesson. Get the ball into the channels, turn their defenders and let's win throws and corners. The number of times we gave them the ball in midfield today was ridiculous. 90% of the time through trying to play football that we simply can't play. New game plan. Is Barry available? Yes - give him the ball. No - launch the ***** thing. When Megson first got the job and he turned it round, he was asked what had changed. He said "I noticed that we give the ball away a lot. So I told them to give it away in their half rather than ours." Doesn't have to be rocket science.

Judging by the shoes, it's this fella... https://youtu.be/ndI1hMuwCo8?si=KOetiYHsLrzRRvCi

Exactly a calendar month ago today, we were boycotting the 'Boro game, praying that it would make a difference and that it would help force Chansiri to throw in the towel. All we wanted was our club back, and for anyone, absolutely anyone, to take the reigns because we figured that, whomever it was, they'd be 100x better than what we'd got. Life as a Wednesdayite was horrendous. We had no idea how long he'd dig in his heels. We couldn't even be certain that we'd have a club in 12 months time. It's incredible how our attitudes amd demands change so quickly. Personally, I'm desperate for it not to be Mike Ashley. I want the new owner to be someone who is excited at the potential of the club and for how successful it could be and to be swept away on the idea of climbing to the Prem and maybe even Europe again, rather than someone who sees it as an empty terraced house that he can throw a coat of paint on and flip for a tidy profit. I think it's important to remember where we were just a blink of an eye ago. But I also think it's ok to dream, be excited by what could be, and lose our **** over it a little. Not know is what kills you, but it's also the best part of the journey.

Sitting at the front of the Kop or the North where theres a remote chance that you might get hit by friendly fire is a million miles away from sitting directly beneath 3,000 pigs aiming coins and bottles of directly and intentionally down on you. Why don't we make them sit in the lower?

The shame would be that we're going to League One, but we all know the single reason for that. I think we've already accepted it and moved on well in advance of it happening. Why would we feel shame that clubs like Lincoln City have done so incredibly well to get themselves where they are? How does that reflect on our situation in any way, shape or form?

Same. I've been in every other part of the ground and always fancied going in there, especially as a kid. I thought it looked cool. wee wees me off that 400 bloody Wycombe Wanderers fans can say that they've been in there and I can't!

I didn't really understand how we'd not used that corner for years, even when we'd sold out, seemingly because of health and safety reasons? Then suddenly, we could open it for the Wycombe game, then never again since. So can we use it or not? (Granted, the Wycombe game was a few years ago now, even though it seems like yesterday)

Not only was I there, I was the only one trying to get a "10 men, we only need 10 men" song going. Blissfully unaware that Arsenal had also had a player send of with Di Canio until a bloke in front of me told me... Ayt the time, I'll admit I thought the club/Wilson did the right thing in how they handled Di Canio. I thought he needed to take his punishment and be humble about it. But the old timers, Fergie and Redknapp, gave Danny a lesson in how to handle this type of player. You have to accept that they're different and that they maybe need to be treat differently. You have to swallow your pride a bit. As much as that incident now makes us laugh, it was possibly the most pivotal single moment in our decline. Who knows how many points he'd have won us had he played the entire season? And he was worth 10x what West Ham paid us for him if we'd cashed in. Bug money in those days.

Luckily, I'm old enough to remember our glory days in the 90's. We had no band, and I remember the atmosphere being great at Hillsborough. Then the Band comes along at precisely the same time as the start of our decline. Now, obviously, I'm not saying it's all their fault, but they're an absolute albatross to the club. The friendly, hockey type atmosphere they generate does absolutely nothing to make the ground a fortress. For 30 years, they've been in place. For 30 years, we've been free-falling. I started watching in 1980. We'd just been promoted under Big Jack, and we continued a steady rise at the hands of Wilkinson, then Atkinson and, for a period, Francis. So my time watching Wednesday has been all rise, then all fall, pretty much (with the odd promotion here and there). Gone are the creative songs from the fans. They've largely given up. Any of us who are a similar age to me will be able to go through those 90s teams and sing you the song for pretty much every player. Anyone who is stepping foot inside Hillsborough for the first time in 10 years will be treated to the same old songs that they heard the last time they came - and they were tired then... Over the last few months, we've shown, as a fanbase, that we have plenty about us. We have grit and determination. Other teams should feel this when they visit. But we've been drowned out by this lot for 30 years. It really is a truly dreadful noise and has no place at a football ground.

They've probably seen reports that our players and staff have been shown to be willing to work without pay... Makes Mike Ashely look like a nice option.