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Pedersen is a good coach and a good manager. He took the job when no one else would. He's got a threadbare squad and most of those are out injured. Yet even so we have been competitive for most games. Far more so than we have any right to expect. He can't play his preferred formation and tactics because he hasn't the players for it so he's having to play whatever he can to get the best out of the players he's got Now the fans are turning on him Probably the one man who least deserves it. The stick you use to beat him with is playing Ugbo instead of Cads. Cads is a young lad just back from international duty involving a long flight home and potential jet lag. Really? Don't you think it might be because he thought it might be too much of a strain on Cads so he only wanted to play him for half the match. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. Pedersen has got plaudits from most fans for holding the players together and getting better from them than we have any right to expect. Sorry for the rant but I think it's justified.

They already know that. If they don't I'd prefer it if they don't buy us because they can't have done their homework. It's the potential they are buying and that is the fans.

The fee restriction doesn't matter in January we can bring in a few players maybe who their clubs are happy to release in the summer. They won't save us from relegation but we are effectively down already. We can build a squad in the summer to get out of L1 using frees, out of contracts and loans. The January window won't matter much so we can take a ban for 3 windows on the fees issue without too much of a problem. It's an inconvenience but not insurmountable. I think the preferred buyers can get it negotiated down to 3 windows maybe even 2. It might mean suspending the rest for 2 years subject to us not having further none payment issues but that shouldn't be a problem. Bring it on.

They are buying the fans. There's not many clubs left at reasonable prices with a big following that would sustain a Premier team. Swfc have got that, it's because of dreadful owners and managers that we haven't been taken over before. Yes we need money spending on the team but with a good recruitment team we can get back to the Championship with out of contracts, loans and Premier league youngsters who didn't quite make the grade. Once we get to the Championship it gets more expensive to get a team that can challenge but we did it before on not a fortune. Bannan, Forestieri and the like didn't cost a fortune It was the rubbish we picked up later that cost us. I think the EFL will be in talks with the new prospective owners as soon as they are chosen as preferred bidders. Only the payment of fees will be an issue but if it's reduced to 3 windows that will not be a problem and I think they might get it reduced to 2 with the rest suspended for 2 years. Let's see what happens. It will be more entertaining than today's game at least.

I wish he was ours. He'd make a great present to the fans from the new owner. If they really want to show us they mean business they could chuck in Shay Charles as well. (not that either of them would dream of joining us in L1. (Just me day dreaming.)

Certainly vastly different scores to those I expected having gone through several pages of the OMDT. I expected everyone other than Amass to get 1 or 0. ( I didn't see the game)

Ugbo wasn't really like that though. We had him on loan and he was deadly in the box. He could buy himself the half a yard he needed to get a shot off and he was scoring for fun. That's why the fans wanted him. Don't forger Roehl really wanted him as well and he should know a decent player much more so than the fans. It's not worked out. It happens. We are disappointed, I'm sure the manager wishes he could get a tune out of him but it's not worked out at all. Sadly we are stuck with him, nobody would buy him, nobody will pay the wages he's on, so he will see out his contract and then move on.

The prospective are very aware the team is very poor. Bad performances are what they expect. Big crowds to watch a threadbare squad lose week after week is not normal. They will be rubbing their hands thinking of the numbers who will turn up to watch a better squad win week after week in a better stadium with better food and drink. The job for this season was to get rid of DC. That has been achieved. If we now get a really good owner we will be on our way back. Results don't really matter, we knew we would get relegated. If we can start the rebuild in January so much the better. Onwards and upwards.

He will be on quite a high wage. Nobody will want him on anything like that. He's not daft, he will stick it out to ther end of his contract. We are stuck with him. As we are so short of players anyway we will keep giving him playing time because we have very little else. Hopefully he won't start and he will just be used to take pressure off out better strikers. When we get a decent striker he might get loaned out or just be a bench filler. It really is strange what's happened to him because he was excellent in the box when he was here on loan.

Look to the future not the past. We can't change what has gone but we can hope to be better when the new owners take over. I know people are upset about losing a Derby again in what I can only accept was a poor display (I didn't see the game.). It was a game we were always going to struggle in even if we hoped we might do better. We don't have the squad to do anything other than lose most games and draw a few if we are lucky. The squad value is stupidly low for the Championship, Amass and Charles are the only players we have who are worth much. Their value is probably more than the rest of the squad combined. What's Uniteds squad worth £100m maybe. What's the difference in wages? I won't even hazard a guess. That's all down to DC, not the players, not the manager, just him. Hopefully we can start to rebuild as soon as the new owners take over. We should be a different squad and club when we meet them after this season. Revenge will be sweet when we have a better squad and a proper structure to the club. That's all in the future. Have a few pints, blow off steam and then on we go. This season was about getting DC out of the club. Compared to that nothing else matters, trust me, it really is what this season was about and we did it. The fans by and large pulled together and saved this club.

You are very reasonable. As I said it wasn't really aimed at you it was just a general observation that I happened to tag on your post. Thanks for understanding that and the point I was making. .

I missed the game as I had to go out at the last minute so I will have to take your word for it. What I do know is that most games we have been surprisingly competetive. At the start of the season I wouldn't have been surprised if we got hammered 5 nil most games with the state we were in. That's not been the case, yes we've lost games but we have fought surprisingly well. That's down to Pedersen and the players. Derby match losses always sting more than other matches. We lost this but we move on to the next game. All I want to do is get the new owners in and the hopefully we start to build a team to bounce back straight away.

It does sound very harsh. I don't think we will get a better manager and coach in L1. If that's the choice of the new owners there's not much we can do about it but Pedersen is a well respected coach doind a job with a wafer thin coaching outfit and very little else, When you think of all the specialists we had helping Roehl Pedersen has none of that. He's got a squad that is worth very little, £10m probably, and most of that is Charles who has been injured for most of the season. Give him some coaches to work with him, an analyst and a decent recruitment team behind him. Get a proper squad together and then see what he can do. Derby games always bring out the emotions and when we lose it is especially bitter. Lets not forget Pedersen has kept the team fighting all season so far. We've been way better than this thin squad should be. As you say in your very reasonable and rational post, we are where we are and what we are because of one man. It's unreasonable to expect anything other than relegation this season and that will be down to DC.

My only hope this season was to get rid of DC. Job done. Anything else is a bonus.

He did say it and it is actually true. He's good at pressing in our defensive 523 pressing formation. I've not watched the game today but after he made the comment I watched the game back and it was true. It might work for him because it doesn't involve running anywhere fast, it's just picking his man up and closing down passing channels. He does it far better than Cads who is always half looking to be in position to run the channels if we get the ball, rather than keeping the pressing formation. Not having to run around a lot suits Ugbo.

First post I've read making that point. Thank you. Loads of posts slagging all the players but you are the first one to lay the blame where it belongs. I know we are all upset by the result and performance but what did you truly expect in the circumstances. This was very predictable.

We don't have a top quality keeper available. Our best keeper had a long term injury and Horvath agreed to come here to help us out. He isn't the best but he is what we've got . We should be grateful he came, not saying a top class keeper is better. It's so obvious it really doesn't need saying. If we had a world class striker we might have scored a goal or two this season, sadly DC left us in the poo so we have to manage with what we have got. They aren't good enough so we don't score. It's not the players fault it's DC. Scilly, sorry to put this as a reply to your post but I've been out all morning and I opened Owlstalk to catch up on the game. I've read loads of posts slagging off every player on the pitch not one has mentioned DC and it all being down to him. Don't blame the players for being poor, that's because DC either released the better players, they walked or he sold them for pennies.

Valery is one of our better players normally. If he's having a rare bad one he gets a pass from me. Everyone is allowed a couple a season.

Ugbo is better defensively than Cadamarteri. That was from Pedersen not me. I can understand him wanting to defend early to shut them down. Once we went behind that couldn't be the case anymore so he should have been subbed.

Read some of the post on Owlstalk they indicate plenty of our fans are just as bad. I really don't care about them. It's nice to beat them but other than that I never even think about their results, I never look at their league position. When I was in Sheffield my best mate was a United fan. We both liked football so we had an arrangement. He'd come to our games with me and I'd go to their games with him. I enjoyed their games sometimes and he enjoyed some of ours. It was just football.

If our new owners can persuade Amass and Shay Charles to sign for us I think i might have an orgasm of earth shattering proportions. It will never happen of course.

Windass was without doubt a quality player for us. I never quite took to him, I don't mind the arrogance, players need a bit of that sometimes. He just wasn't an appealing personality. I respected his qualities though and was sorry to see him go. Like others it wasn't his fault. DC was to blame and we should never forget that. Good luck to him for the rest of his career.

A lot of our fans have obsessive tendencies about them. That is just as weird.

I think Fox was a far better player than he was given credit for. He wasn't great to start with but he was always trying. He always did his best. He grew as a player but never got credit for it. He turned into a very decent player before he left. He still got abuse . Once some of our fans take against a player he could turn into Messi and he would still be hated.

Yes he was but I have some sympathy after the way DC treated him. It doesn't make what he did right. It does make DC wrong though and I think we will find that more and more as time goes on.