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You've got a point on their fanbase i will give you that. But you are wide of the mark with them buying their way back.look at net spend of city v chelsea v liverpool over the last 10 years. Liverpool recouped North of 200 million with the sale of Suarez and coutinho when they had to sell. They've bought brilliantly well and only really spent the big money once they were in a position of power, the position which they fully earned. I get that Liverpool can be annoying to neutrals but chelsea and city are everything that's wrong with football in the modern day and for the life of me I don't get how you can say the same about Liverpool.

I think liverpool are a proper club with a proper manager and a proper history. Chelsea and Man City have literally bought their way to success. I don't get how people don't have a begrudging amount of respect for Liverpool. It baffles me to be honest

John Sheridan- if I could play like any Wednesday player it would be him Chris Waddle- possibly the only Wednesday player I've seen who was near enough the best player in England for a certain period of time. Carbone- a proper flair player that lit up some very average Wednesday teams.

Terrible list if there's no rasiak or Iggle piggle on there.

For as long as I can remember we are just rubbish in that September to December period with a few rare exceptions like that season we were 3rd at xmas in the champ and then plummeted. Most of the time we are much stronger in the second half of the season, why is that?

Ha! david Graham was a total disaster. most of us championship manager players thought he would get 30 in his first season.

Yeah that cheeses me off a bit, however striking similarities with us only at a higher level: Scattered gun transfer approach Big wages High average age of recruits No long term version Buy players based on reputation rather than plugging gaps. Etc etc

Love it, but then I love the charlatans.

I feel ok, its been a tough year personally and to have a play off place to battle for has been a good distraction. The weird thing about the Sunderland game was I never really got going with my emotions as they held us at arms length for long periods. It must've been an awful game for the neutral but I only felt the buzz for around 2 mins during and after we scored. The injury time goal didn't hurt as I didn't feel we deserved extra time. Looking forward to next season but if we don't battle for automatics then it will feel pretty rubbish as I don't want us to be there for 4 or 5 years or longer like Sunderland and the blunts.

Willing to give him half a season, if the first half of next season matches the first half of this season then he's a goner so yeah give him 15 games with a full pre season and revamped squad in the right areas. He does know how to attract players so I expect a stronger squad next season. No excuses, we need to be tracking at 2 points a game next year, if we drop out of the auto race at any point then he should go.

On the plus side, windass does look like he could make something happen, takes up good positions and could be threatening if he gets them one on one

We just don't look like we are going to score. I hope we rattle them second half.

Time for the burns baseball speech: All right, you ragtag bunch of misfits! You hate me, and I hate you even more. But without my beloved ringers, you're all I've got. So I want you to remember some inspiring words that someone else might have told you over the course of your lives, and go out there and win!

So judgement day is here and thanks to Lord S for the second to last time this season. Be brave Fight for everything Be together on the pitch Be together in the stands Have belief for the whole game We can do this!!!!!!

Player angry at being dropped for big game shocker. He should be fuming, shows he cares. Absolute non story

As most have said, hunt for Palmer is a must. Don't over think it DM just because Palmer played well on Friday I would love to see Windass start but he looked so rusty on Friday, im not sure DM will risk it. I'm not a big fan of berahino but he deserves the nod as there's no way I want to see Patterson starting. I wouldn't change the middle 3, I feel if byers plays well then we've got a good chance. They'll look to nullify bannan again meaning him and luongo should get plenty of the ball especially as we will be looking to dominate and play higher up the pitch.

This is basically how I feel. I am really worried that we won't make enough chances based on the first leg and how Sunderland will set up on Monday. To be frank even if we do create chances they basically have to fall to Gregory. I'm still clinging to the hope that we make something happen from long range or from set pieces but i expect Monday will be another low scoring game.

Great post. If everybody in the ground gets behind them it can make a difference. If weve been poor by full time then that's the time to voice some negativity but not before.

Yeah its an important point to make. People keep referencing the 0-0 at hudds but that was made worse by a poor performance at home to give us a 1-1 in 90 mins. If we do the same again we are out. We have to play well and win....simple

You know what, normally I would say no we don't but an early goal would rock them and get our tails up. I think the first 30 mins of Monday may well decide the tie

We are 25% into the tie, why are you throwing in the towel?

Great thread Lord S, business like- very much like I hope we will be at the stadium of light. Well this is it isn't it? 46 league games has led us to the this point where we need to perform for 180 minutes. Not much margin for error now. Alex Neil will play for a canny 1-0 and all to play for st S6. Stay in the game boys and be brave in defence and attack. We can do this! Sunderland 1 - who cares 23 Wednesday 1 - Gregory 86 A late equalizer for us for once and a spirited display.

It does represent a wider problem moving forward. Is the idea in the summer to bring in youth cast offs from the prem and young lower league gems? Or do we go for short term sure fire success of a Gregory or hunt? Guess it depends what division we are in, if we stay in league 1 it might be short term thinking just to get out of this league

We pretty much adopted liverpools tactics against mk dons and it worked a treat. How often do you see liverpool score then score again within a short space of time?. If we do score first or get in front on Friday I would love to see us go for the jugular and kill the tie. Wishful thinking and by no means am I saying we play like liverpool. As someone else said on here, watch the hudds first leg and do the opposite. I would be gutted if we played really well and settled for a draw. No more missed opportunities please Wednesday!

Could easily happen. Who are our 5 takers?