NorthernOwl

Yeah I mean this is a highly plausible scenario. I guess my point is more that Röhl will already have had a good understanding of Chansiri and what he was like to work for when he signed the contract extension. Kind of begs the question why he would sign a long term contract with a big release clause. Presumably Röhl considered it in his own interests to do so at the time.

Neither do I. But you have to question why Röhl signed a new contract last year. Presumably because he felt the terms/ pay suited him. He would have been well aware at that point of what working for Chansiri was like. To be clear I haven't turned on Röhl and hope he stays but I do think his comments in the media haven't been the best.

I guess the answer is that the clubs that are interested in Röhl don't think he's worth paying 5 million for. I mean Southampton weren't prepared to pay it in January so I guess they won't be prepared to pay it now. Don't know where that leaves things if a compromise can't be made - and knowing chansiris past history I cant see him letting Röhl leave for less than the full amount stated in the contract.

Röhl is understandably desperate to leave but it will only happen if someone is prepared to pay the compensation. Röhl is our most valuable asset, theres no reason for the club to go out of it's way to help him to leave.

Röhl wanted out when Southampton came in for him and one assumes he agreed to go there a while back. Recent performances suggest to me Röhl doesn't much care about finishing the season well as he's always sorted for next season anyway. We'll presumably get to see how good he is next season at a club that isn't a disaster. If he is going to Southampton it will be interesting to see how he copes with the pressure of a team expected to win every week.

Or he's just a decent bloke, trying to do right by the club and the youngsters. He's obviously always sorted for next season so won't matter too much to him that the results are now crap.

We have nothing to play for and Röhl is leaving in the summer so no surprise to see our performance today. It's true our home form has been poor all season but up until recently the performances were generally okish. I think it's just a case of everyone being desperate for the season to end now.

You don't think him leaving in the summer is already a certainty?

Was it not the case that he was instructed from above to get rid of the older high earners and play the youngsters? Pretty sure I remember that being the situation although I could be wrong.

We're currently on course to achieve 62 points and a ppg average of 1.3. That's very much mid table form. I think the fact that the current points total needed for 6th is so low skews thing a bit. At the moment it's on track to be 67. I can't remember a team ever achieving a top 6 finish on that before and I strongly suspect a couple of teams will hit form and take that upwards by the end of the season. The reality is we are nowhere near a top 6 side right now. We simply lack the quality. We are a bottom third squad overachieving due to good management.

So Southampton have made an illegal approach for Röhl and have also said if we want to keep Charles we have to now pay a massively increased loan fee. Given Southampton's behaviour it doesn't seem like a terrible idea to say we'll let the illegal approach slide if they allow Charles to stay on the originally agreed terms. Not sure I have an issue with this.

We all know where the blame lies. The same place is always does and always will. I do think people need to understand though that we are just a means to an end to Röhl, a stepping stone to better things. The idea that he was ever going to stay here long term was always pie in the sky. He will have been well aware of what Chansiri was like before he joined. He will have seen how Moore was treated and other managers before him. The plan would have been make an impact and jump ship as soon as a better opportunity became available. It did at Southampton and he's annoyed he's been blocked from taking it.

Danny's just playing the game. He knows full well he won't receive big backing in January. A couple of decent loans maybe but nothing more than that. Very few teams make major changes in January unless they are suring up a promotion push or possibly trying to stay up.

He won't be seriously backed in January. Where's the motivation for Chansiri? We have no chance of making the playoffs and aren't in serious trouble of relegation either. The January window is a notoriously hard time to make good value signings. You can sometimes get decent loan players in but then they are gone next season. I would be surprised if Röhl if genuinely expects significant backing in the window or that it would be a deal breaker for him if he doesn't.

Whilst you can't complain with our league position or points total most of our games are a pretty hard watch. Very little entertainment so far this season, especially at home.

Today was pretty mediocre but it was ok. We have a bottom third budget and are sat in 15th. We are doing pretty much exactly as you would expect we would.

Not really. Chansiri doesn't set the club up for success but Röhl still has control over tactics, formations, coaching etc. Your argument seems to be that Röhl is essentially entirely powerless to control anything. Perhaps we should just do away with having a manger entirely?

I think people understand this perfectly well. At the same time questions are always going to be asked when you concede 6 at home. It is possible to understand we are a lower mid table side and at the same time also believe that yesterday's performance reflects poorly on the manager.

Of course it's on Röhl. He picks the team, sets the tactics and coaches the players. He's been rightfully praised for some of our recent performances/ results so it's only fair he's criticised when he gets things wrong. Of course the wider question of why we are a crap, lower end championship club rests solely on chansiris shoulders. Obviously the two points are interlinked but that doesn't mean Röhl can't be assessed within the scope of the limitations he's working within.

There's a definite lack of consistency in terms of how managers are judged on here. Anytime we had a poor performance under Moore there were pages and pages of criticism aimed at him. Any time we have a poor performance under Röhl, it's usually Chansiri that cops the blame. This despite the fact that Moore was arguably manager at a time of greater instability with points deductions and players not being paid when he arrived. And Moore wasn't given the same level of off field support as Röhl. This isn't to compare the ability of the two managers just the inconsistencies in how they are assessed.

Think it's pretty premature to be writing Ugbo off. I think he will come good. However if the signing doesn't work out the responsibility will be on Röhl. He made him his main target over summer and used a big chunk of our budget on him.

The reality is that with the club in its current state we are a lower end champ/ top end league one club. The only way that will ever change is if someone comes in who is prepared to invest tens of millions off the pitch. The infrastructure of the club needs huge amounts of money spending on it. Hillsborough needs complete redevelopment or we need an entirely new home. Even then you have to find ways of getting round p&s so you can compete with the huge paying budgets that teams with premier league money can afford. To progress seriously we would need someone both extremely wealthy and who also knows has the nous to succeed in a highly competitive area. Loads of clubs have billionaire owners now so simply having someone super wealthy in charge is no longer enough on its own.

Birmingham are rolling the dice in the same way Chansiri did when he arrived. Maybe they are being slightly smarter about it than we were but they are still playing a very risky game.

I really can't see a situation where Röhl is sacked this season unless further down the line it looks like we are going to get relegated. For all Chansiris faults he usually gives managers a fair crack on the whip.

The point is the results were much better than the performances and over time that will catch up with you. Using a period of time where we massively overachieved results wise is probably not the best way of setting a baseline.