durhamowl3

If you don't accept bs - I'd say we were the 3rd oldest professional British club. (Forest & Notts County) If you're happy with bs I'd say we are the oldest with 1820. Could also make the distinction of club v team. Wrexham, Palace, Chesterfield and Stoke are all nonsense.

The Trust should put a message out that they'll talk to the new owners to see if they'll have a period with STs at a cheaper price than the early bird tickets. Even if is just by a £1. It might make some people consider holding off. Alternatively, they could suggest a ST and shirt deal which comes with, say, 50 bonus points so people who are putting more money into the new ownership get something back. Either way, anything to make people think twice would be useful.

Playoffs.. easy!

Have we ever won one and does anyone know what the overall record is in them? We have been beaten by Huddersfield, Bradford, Rotherham and Wolves at least. Why are we so bad at them and is there anything that can be done about it?

I can't see how McCabe could ever recoup everything. But don't Scarborough holdings now own the hotel and the business centre? If the ground and any other bits of land followed they could charge a rent, sucking money out the club. Wouldn't get everything back but they would get some.

How strict are they financial fare play rules? If Milan decides he wants to buy a bottle of SWFC branded Hendersons from the club shop, paid with a briefcase full of banknotes and said 'keep the change' to the shop assistant, would that count towards our turnover? If it does there is no point in having the rules as rich owners will always be able to get around them.

Not mathematically guarenteed until today though. Like I said, hopefully it's irrelevant and second or better will be ours.

Hopefully we will remain in second place until the end of the season. If not however, that result has put Wednesday 17 points ahead of 7th place Notts County with five games to go. The play-offs have been guarenteed. Fingers crossed for Bournemouth this afternoon and hopefully 2nd will be held.

The eternal pessimist in me had to look what is the worst we could finish. I came up with 19th. Although a win today would take that up to about 12th I think. Not doing it again but I do think we will be promoted in second.

Everything behind the gangway on the kop should be standing as well as tangos corner. Would never be allowed at Hillsborough for obvious reasons. However, I don't see why it should make a blind bit of difference.

From the arguments on here there are a few issues which I can see. 1. Any scheme needs to be stop a closed shop happening - so any 3 or 5 year systems are wrong because they would stagnate the system and it would be impossible for a new fan to ever become a regular away attender. 2. ST holders should always have priority. 3. There are people who are always going to miss out on the popular games. IMO - have a points system. ST - 250 points Non ST home league games - 10 points Away games 10-30 points per game depending on the distance, weekend/midweek and the size of the match. Those who said what about London owls - I would say they on average have far greater distances to go to home matches, so swings and roundabouts. Membership - 30 points Spend £50 in the shop 5 points. Pay on the gate tickets could be handed in at the shop to have points added later. Keep a first come serve for all games except the ones which are likely to be the most popular. The club should announce at the start of the season which matches are the ones which are going to be used. So for instance this season the club could announce Pigs, chezzie and Play off semi (if relevant) as definates and Hudders and last two away matches of regular season as maybes. This system solves all the problems. Its not too complicated, it allows those who travel most to have the pick of the best matches and it doesn't create a closed shop. For cup games I would say other than ST the league doesn't matter except for STs. Each cup is seperate. If the first round is away have it on the current system. For each subseqent round have it as ST + all earlier tickets then those ST without tickets

Thanks for everything Gary. It's been a great 12 months with the rot finally being cut away from the club. Hope you don't lose your love of the club now. Sunday was amazing and I loved every minute (with the possible execption of the few after 90mins had come up on the scoreboard but before the final whistle). Hope you get another chance with us in a few years. Thanks

As a long term manager I would quite like SOD. However, I think he would take too long to put a squad together and we could just kiss this season goodbye. If SOD was hired but put on gardening leave until June I think we could be playing some great football next season, whatever division we are in. In the short term someone who would make a big impact. Not sure who but would have to accept that it was a 16 match contract at best. Having said that, I would prefer Megson to anyone else, short or long term.

If you class a big game at Hillsborough as any that has a 30K+ crowd Wednesday are something like 15 games undefeated. If you look at the last 15 games the pigs have played (home and away because they don't have 30K+ crowds at home) I bet its pretty much the opposite.

I've not seen those goals but did see carling cup. Would say those 2 rows were two more than were used in Wemberly. Could easily have had another 1300 today in the NWC. The SYPs bill should be reduced by about £30,000. Just above the disabled bit in the North there were quite a few empty seats. Does anyone know why? At first I'd assumed they were the people who were moved to the NWC but if they were staff it obviously weren't.

A good read once again. I also remember watching the match you describe. I went on pigs OS yest to see if there was a picture of the beamback. I found their match report. http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/MatchReport/0,,10418~59309,00.html - I don't remember watching the match it describes at all. Just one question. I was next to the Ultras so didn't see them from the angle that the picture was taken on here. How come it was so empty round there?

And wasn't that the 3-2 where Wedesday came away with the pride and didn't feel that much like a defeat? It's a good feeling this morning.

Not a lot. We went down by 2 points and a worse goal difference. 13 points though????? Does beg the question, was relegation a good thing from a club point of view? We were constantly struggling with the debt, no guarentees that anything was going to happen. The relegation forced the takeover which rid the club of the old guard and brought Milan in. Obviously I would rather be in the Championship than League 1 but I think I prefer even more knowing that my club (barring any future issues) will still be around in 5 or 10 years time. That is something that I could not guarentee the year we went down. Not sure if it was that year but we were certainly deied during the period. Weren't we also the last losing FA Cup finalist not to play in Europe when the winner had already qualified? And one of the last teams to be relegated without parachute payments?

In that case will it depend who is more popular between Wednesday/Hudders and Forest/Bristol

Couldn't they have a photo on the card for free tickets (both the under 8s and over 80s)? If you've paid for your ticket, fair enough letting whoever you want use it. But if you are getting it for free you can't complain about a photo.

I agree with closing the grandstand - except for the biggest games what purpose does it serve (other than as a 'family stand which can easily be moved)? Move the family stand to the Kop side of the South - including giving them cheaper seats. But make every adult ticket have to be with a child one (or maybe 1 child for 2 adults max). For the people who normally sit in tthe Grandstand, allow them two seats on their STs. One in the South and one in the Grandstand for big games. Close the Wings of the Kop for most games. Push everyone together. It makes for a better atmosphere. Always have smaller away followings on the lower lepp. Have a few more MASSIVE flags. Put one on each wing on the Kop, one on the Lepp end of the south. One Upper Lepp, One NWC, One each end of the North. Cover the empty seats. Could easily have advertising flags as well. Get a new screen for the Championship. Then when we get to the Premiership start making the WC changes based on need. E.g, In our first season in Prem. Make sure the NWC is fully usable (maybe with a roof as well) and that it can be used either with the lower lepp or on its own as an away stand or as an extension of the North as a home. Also in first season put the boxes in the North and the additional work behind the north (as in the WC plans). If we manage to stay up and the attendance is averaging 34k+ then in the second season fill in the North East corner and a Bridge over the kop roof. If we manage to stay up and attendances are averaging about 40k by the fourth year do the changes to the Lepp including making the bottom steeper and putting an extra tier at the top which could be the away end. Start off by making Hillsborough feel full even when it isn't. Then when changes are needed to continue progressing do the more expensive improvements.

Can only have a beamback if they have sold the rest. As to the people who say they've not sold out yet - wait a little bit. It might be because of poor sales but it may be because they have the loyalty scheme in place. It is possible that every single person who is currently entitled to them has bought them. I've just had a quick look at their website. It looks like those with 17000 points can only buy them from last thurs. The max they get from a game is 150 so I doubt many people will have got that many points. The real test will be when the beamback opens up. Can't see that many going for it to be honest.

Wigan Athletic - 13/05/07 - Attendance - 32604 Average that season - 30684 Capacity (according to wiki) 32702 A grand total of 98 empty seats. It's not a Sheffield thing. It's a Hillsborough thing.

1-0 not sure which way. 0-0 at 80 mins Reda - yellow card 10,006

Just watched the highlights on iplayer. Like a lot on here - think I was watching a different match yesterday. Personally I thought the first 35 mins of either half we bossed and only at the end of each were we under any pressure. Watching the highlights it appears we got slaughtered and I have no idea how we won.